Muon has emerged as an efficient alternative to Adam for pretraining, yet remains underused for fine-tuning. A key obstacle is that most open models are pretrained with Adam, and naively switching to Muon for fine-tuning leads to degraded performance due to an optimizer mismatch. We investigate this mismatch through controlled experiments and relate it to the distinct implicit biases of Adam and Muon. We provide evidence that the mismatch disrupts pretrained knowledge, and that this disruption scales with update strength. This leads us to hypothesize that constraining updates should mitigate the mismatch. We validate this with LoRA: across language and vision tasks, LoRA reduces the performance gap between Adam and Muon observed under full fine-tuning. Studies on LoRA rank, catastrophic forgetting, and LoRA variants further confirm that mismatch severity correlates with update strength. These results shed light on how optimizer mismatch affects fine-tuning and how it can be mitigated. Our code is available at https://github.com/XingyuQu/muon-finetune.
Muon has recently emerged as a competitive alternative to AdamW for large-scale pre-training, with orthogonalization via Newton-Schulz (NS) iterations as its core operation. Existing Muon variants apply a uniform NS schedule to all parameter matrices, overlooking possible differences in orthogonalization difficulty and its impact on performance. Through a systematic empirical study, we show that this per-matrix heterogeneity is pervasive and largely determined by matrix geometry, which evolves dynamically across operator types, training stages, and network depths. As a result, uniform NS schedules can lead to uneven orthogonalization quality across the model. Motivated by these findings, we propose Adaptive Muon Orthogonalization (AMO), an observe-then-commit method that measures weight geometry by operator type early in training and then uses these signals to allocate the NS budget for the remainder of training. AMO delivers consistent improvements over uniform-schedule Muon across standard, prolonged, and continual pre-training, surpassing the strongest baseline by +0.76 on Llama3.1-1.4B and +0.51 on Qwen3-1.7B in average downstream performance of 12 evaluation tasks.
Optimizers play an important role in both pretraining and finetuning stages when training large language models (LLMs). In this paper, we present an observation that full finetuning with the same optimizer as in pretraining achieves a better learning-forgetting tradeoff, i.e., forgetting less while achieving the same or better performance on the new task, than other optimizers and, possibly surprisingly, LoRA, during the supervised finetuning (SFT) stage. We term this phenomenon optimizer-model consistency. To better understand it, through controlled experiments and theoretical analysis, we show that: 1) optimizers can shape the models by having regularization effects on the activations, leading to different landscapes around the pretrained checkpoints; 2) in response to this regularization effect, the weight update in SFT should follow some specific structures to lower forgetting of the knowledge learned in pretraining, which can be obtained by using the same optimizer. Moreover, we specifically compare Muon and AdamW when they are employed throughout the pretraining and SFT stages and find that Muon performs worse when finetuned for reasoning tasks. With a synthetic language modeling experiment, we demonstrate that this can come from Muon's strong tendency towards rote memorization, which may hurt pattern acquisition with a small amount of data, as for SFT.
The Muon optimizer has recently offered a promising alternative to AdamW for large language model training, leveraging matrix orthogonalization to produce geometry-aware updates. However, like all first-order methods, Muon can become trapped in sharp local minima. In this work, we present MONA, an optimizer that bridges Muon's orthogonalization framework with curvature-aware acceleration. MONA adds an acceleration term directly into Muon's gradient processing pipeline. This term is calculated from the exponential moving average of gradient differences. We provide a detailed convergence analysis for MONA, showing that the acceleration term enables escape from sharp minima while preserving Muon's spectral-norm regularization. Empirically, MONA achieves better convergence and downstream task performance compared to both Muon and AdamW across three scales of Mixture-of-Experts pretraining, spanning from 1B to 68B parameters, with the largest model trained on 1 trillion tokens. Furthermore, we conduct supervised fine-tuning on the MOE-68B-A3B model and evaluate it on general capability, mathematical reasoning, and code generation benchmarks, where MONA achieves SOTA performance.