Decomposing MXFP4 quantization error for LLM reinforcement learning: reducible bias, recoverable deadzone, and an irreducible floor
Authors: Xiaocan Li, Shiliang Wu, Zheng Shen
Organizations: Huawei Canada
Abstract
MXFP4 arithmetic can dramatically accelerate reinforcement learning (RL) post-training of large language models (LLMs), yet the quantization error introduces severe accuracy degradation. Existing work treats the quantization error as a monolithic noise term, missing the distinct mechanisms upon interpreting how quantization error damages training. We prove an exact three-way decomposition of quantization error and show how each component dominates a distinct RL training pathway. Our theoretical and empirical analysis decomposes the MXFP4 quantization error into three additive components: "scale bias" from power-of-two rounding, "deadzone truncation" from zeroing small values, and "grid noise" from rounding to the nearest 4-bit grid. Each component dominates a distinct RL failure mode: scale bias accumulates multiplicatively through the backward pass, affecting gradient accuracy; deadzone truncation degrades rollout quality; and grid noise raises the policy's entropy. We combine corrections that are RL failure mode-targeted but not component-exclusive: Macro-block scaling to reduce scale bias, Outlier Fallback recovers deadzone entries, but also partially reduces scale bias induced error, and Adaptive Quantization Noise (AQN) for controlling the policy entropy. On Qwen2.5-3B dense and Qwen3-30B-A3B-Base mixture-of-experts model, the targeted corrections recover BF16 accuracy to within 0.7% and exceed BF16 by +1.0% respectively.
We present, to our knowledge, the first end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, in which both the rollout and training policies, including their forward and backward passes, operate at 4-bit precision. A systematic study reveals that the dominant source of degradation in FP4 RL is not training-side quantization error but rollout activation quantization: outliers stretch the dynamic range so far that a large number of activation values underflow to zero under FP4. Counterintuitively, restoring the training policy to higher precision while keeping the rollout in FP4 makes accuracy worse than full FP4 baseline, exposing rollout-training mismatch as the principal failure mode and ruling out standard pretraining-style fixes. We address this with Rollout Residual Quantization (Rollout-ResQ): a single residual correction term constrained to a hardware-friendly sparsity pattern, added only to the FP4 rollout matmul -- a lightweight correction that recovers most of the precision lost to outlier-driven underflow without inflating the rollout's compute footprint. On Qwen2.5-3B and Qwen2.5-Math-7B, Rollout-ResQ paired with the HiFloat4 (HiF4) format -- whose three-level hierarchical scaling preserves resolution under FP4's tight 4-bit budget -- closes the accuracy gap to BF16 from 4.9% to 1.1%, bringing fully quantized FP4 RL within striking distance of full precision. Applied to the open-standard MXFP4, the same recipe narrows the gap from 13.6% to 5.3%, revealing that FP4 format choice is a key factor that determines the ceiling on recoverable accuracy. Together, these results establish HiF4 as the enabling format for end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, and Rollout-ResQ as the activation-side mechanism that makes the gap to BF16 closable.
As Large Language Models (LLMs) advance toward practical deployment, the Microscaling FP4 (MXFP4) format has emerged as a cornerstone for next-generation low-bit inference, owing to its ability to balance high dynamic range with hardware efficiency. However, directly applying MXFP4 to LLM activation quantization inevitably leads to significant accuracy degradation. In this paper, we theoretically analyze the error structure of MXFP4 activation quantization, revealing that the root cause of this performance drop lies in two structural imbalances between activation distributions and the MXFP4 block floating-point format: (1) extreme inter-block variance imbalance and (2) intra-block codebook utilization imbalance. To address these challenges, we propose TORQ (Two-level Orthogonal Rotation for MXFP4 Quantization), a training-free Post-Training Quantization (PTQ) framework designed to reshape the geometric properties of the activation space through optimal coordinate transformations. At the macroscopic level, TORQ leverages the Schur-Horn theorem to redistribute activation energy via inter-block orthogonal rotation, preventing high-variance blocks from driving up shared scaling factors and thereby preserving the precision of small-magnitude elements. At the microscopic level, TORQ employs maximum-entropy-guided intra-block rotation to alleviate codebook collapse and maximize the MXFP4 codebook's information capacity. Experiments on mainstream LLMs such as LLaMA3 and Qwen3 show that TORQ significantly improves the accuracy of MXFP4 activation quantization compared to existing methods: on Qwen3-32B, the perplexity on WikiText is reduced to 8.43 (vs. 7.61 for BF16), and the average accuracy increases from 38.40% with direct RTN to 73.63% (vs. 74.82% for BF16), substantially narrowing the gap between 4-bit floating-point quantization and full-precision inference.
Why does full-pipeline FP4 training of large language models often diverge, even when forward activations and activation gradients remain stable? We address this question through a controlled study of MXFP4 quantization in transformer training, progressively enabling FP4 across forward propagation (Fprop), activation gradients (Dgrad), and weight gradients (Wgrad) while holding all other factors fixed. In full pretraining of Llama 3.1-8B on the C4 dataset, we observe that quantizing Wgrad is the primary driver of convergence degradation, whereas FP4 in Fprop and Dgrad alone introduces only modest additional token requirements. To interpret this behavior, we evaluate both structured and stochastic interventions under a controlled experimental setting. We find that stochastic rounding and randomized Hadamard rotations fail to stabilize training once Wgrad is quantized, whereas deterministic Hadamard rotations consistently restore stable optimization. These results suggest that FP4 training instability is driven by structured micro-scaling errors along sensitive gradient paths, rather than by insufficient stochasticity. We run experiments with native MXFP4 support on AMD Instinct MI355X GPUs, enabling controlled investigation of these effects without reliance on software emulation.