SageBwd: A Trainable Low-bit Attention

Most post-training quantization pipelines fit each weight matrix to its pretrained counterpart, one matrix at a time. Whether that proxy tracks what an attention block actually computes, or how errors in the Q, K and V projections compound inside the softmax, is rarely checked. We write the objective on the attention output instead, over all three projections at once, and reuse it throughout the pipeline. JAB defines one scalar loss over the joint Q, K, V weights of a block, evaluated against the block's real causally-masked attention output, and uses it twice: to fit the quantized weights (GPTQ warm start, then STE with learnable scales), and to score the block for a multiple-choice knapsack allocation. On attention-only quantization of Mistral-7B this works. At 3 bits JAB recovers 77-90% of the gap between uniform GPTQ and full precision, and its sensitivity estimate tracks an oracle costing 73 forward passes to within a fraction of a point. It stops working once MLP layers enter the allocation. A role-aware offset rule needing no sensitivity estimate at all beats JAB on GPT-2's MLP and on the full Mistral-7B model: with a 3-bit floor it quantizes 96.4% of the weights to 4.5 bits per parameter at 6.933 perplexity, within 4.4% of full precision (6.643) at 3.56x compression, against 7.158 for JAB at the same budget. Which matrix a weight sits in matters more than any sensitivity estimate we computed. Two things came out sideways. Block-local reconstruction is an unreliable proxy for end-to-end perplexity: one run improved a block's own objective 4.6x while perplexity rose 32x, which is why every allocation here is validated end-to-end. And on attention-only quantization, fine-tuning moved weights farther from their pretrained values while pulling attention outputs closer, with net gains. Post-training seems to recover attention behavior, not weights.

Softmax attention gives every token a nonzero weight, which in trained models concentrates into attention sinks and massive activations that widen the dynamic range low-precision inference must cover. Softpick removes this constraint by rectifying scores, eliminating sinks and lowering hidden-state kurtosis, but its advantage fades at scale. We reframe this failure as a normalization problem. Softpick's denominator splits into positive- and negative-shifted sums $D^+$ and $D^-$, used identically in the forward and backward pass, preventing their roles from being isolated. We separate them into a family of operators that independently choose each denominator. The failure originates at initialization: every layer contains rows where $D^+$ is exactly zero, while near-dead rows produce gradient norms above $10^{12}$ regardless of the backward denominator. Only Softpick and a stop-gradient variant, which keeps $D^+ + D^-$ forward but backpropagates through $D^+$ alone, train from scratch. At 230M parameters, the stop-gradient operator matches Softpick on quantization, has fewer dead heads, and retrieves passkeys more reliably, trailing only on peak attention-weight kurtosis.

Low-precision Transformer systems increasingly quantize attention matrix multiplications, while softmax often remains at higher precision. During pretraining, an approximate softmax changes the gradients that train the model as well as its forward computation. We study this interaction with K-interval attention, which approximates the exponential using K+1 grid values. We vary per-row grid calibration, interpolation versus hard rounding, and the placement of a straight-through surrogate relative to normalization. We derive the corresponding backward rules, including calibration derivatives, and compare these choices in pretraining experiments matched on model, data, and optimizer. Detaching the row extrema leaves the forward computation unchanged but produces a delayed increase in validation loss. With hard rounding at K=4, min-max calibration and a pre-normalization surrogate incur a large loss gap; changing either choice substantially reduces it. At 124M parameters and 2.5B training tokens, fixed-window calibration with a post-normalization surrogate yields a validation loss gap of +0.019 nats relative to softmax at K=4, and with a pre-normalization surrogate yields +0.004 nats at K=16.