Predicting Large Model Test Losses with a Noisy Quadratic System

Due to the complexity of neural network loss landscapes, optimization theory is forced to rely on idealized models, and there is generally a tradeoff between how theoretically tractable the model is, and how accurately it describes the true optimization dynamics. In this work, we stress test the simplest possible model of optimization -- the quadratic model -- and show that it can be surprisingly predictive in an LLM setting with 150M parameters and 3B training tokens. Specifically, we show that Taylor expanding the model and the loss function at intermediate checkpoints through training can accurately predict the optimization dynamics over windows that can last up to 10% of training. Having established this agreement, we then turn to analyzing the structure of these local quadratic optimization problems through two lenses: the Hessian spectrum and local stability. Using Lanczos quadrature with extremely deep probes, we are able to estimate the Hessian spectrum deep into the tail, and we find a surprising amount of structure in both the eigenvalues and eigenvectors, which depends on the batch size, preconditioner, and training time. We also empirically test local linear stability at intermediate checkpoints and compare it to theoretical predictions to demonstrate that optimization in LLMs typically occurs at a stochastic edge of stability, whose nature is also determined by batch size. Our results indicate the quadratic model may be a theoretically tractable proxy for pretraining optimization dynamics.

We study the scaling behavior of learning rate and batch size in pretraining dense large language models on English-prevalent corpora. Beyond scaling jointly optimal learning rates and batch sizes, we investigate their marginal evolution with model capacity and data scale and develop a model that captures these relationships. As we employ a Warmup-Stable-Decay learning rate schedule, we further investigate the gains from learning rate annealing over a broad range of hyperparameters settings, models and data budgets, and whether the optimal learning rate and batch size transfer between the stable and decay phases. Finally, we characterize the dependence of loss on model capacity and dataset size, evaluating recently proposed scaling forms that explicitly model their interaction. We find these approaches particularly effective at capturing both undertraining and overtraining regimes across our experiments. This study establishes a first baseline and scaling procedure for the development of future OpenEuroLLM models. We open-source the complete collection of pretraining runs used in this study.

The largest machine learning models in particle physics are also the most expensive to train, yet the return on scaling a given architecture cannot be estimated before that compute is spent. Scaling laws have been fit for jets, but none has yet been shown to predict the performance of models it was not fit on. We show that, for a generic transformer pretrained on collider jets, it can be forecast. Fitting a joint model-and-data scaling law on small models alone, spanning three orders of magnitude of training compute, we predict the loss of models trained afterward with more than one hundred times more compute to within one percent. We then connect the forecast to downstream physics performance: across two standard tagging benchmarks, lower pretraining loss yields systematically lower fine-tuning loss and higher background rejection after fine-tuning. Within this model family and these tasks, a compute budget can therefore be translated into expected physics performance before any large model is trained. The final frontier model is consistent with the published numbers for current state-of-the-art physics-aware foundation models trained on the same corpus, on accuracy, AUC, and quark/gluon rejection, with a residual edge for the physics-aware model only in the high-purity tail of top tagging. We release five pretrained models spanning multiple sizes, together with the complete training recipe and code.