Muon is a recent optimizer that orthogonalizes the update to each weight matrix with a Newton-Schulz iteration, which performs steepest descent under the spectral norm. Almost all the evidence for it comes from Transformer models, and its behavior on state-space models is largely unreported. We compare Muon with AdamW on Mamba-2 130M under a controlled protocol that varies only which weight groups are trained with Muon. The benefit is localized. Muon on the output projection alone beats Muon on the input projection or on both. The advantage is mainly one of token efficiency. It holds on two corpora and two token budgets, and persists when training continues well past the compute-optimal point. Conditioning does not explain the gain. Muon lowers the condition number of whichever projection it trains, but the better-conditioned input projection is not the one that helps.
Muon has recently emerged as a strong optimizer for large-scale deep learning, where it reshapes gradient updates through approximate orthogonalization and has been reported to outperform Adam and AdamW in large language model training. Its empirical success has motivated a growing body of theoretical work that interprets Muon as steepest descent under the spectral norm. Yet it remains unclear which of Muon's advantages stem from its update rule itself and which are artifacts of the scale, architecture, and data of modern deep networks. In this work, we isolate the optimizer from these confounding factors by studying Muon on a simple, well-understood, and spectrally structured problem: low-rank matrix factorization. Through a controlled comparison against carefully tuned adaptive baselines, we find that Muon does not consistently outperform AdamW in this setting and that several previously reported advantages are sensitive to hyperparameter choices. Our results provide a more nuanced picture of when spectrum-aware orthogonalization is beneficial and argue for evaluating modern optimizers on controlled problems in addition to end-to-end benchmarks.
Muon has emerged as a strong competitor to AdamW for language model pre-training, yet its behavior at scale is sensitive to weight decay. Recent work has observed that, for Muon without decoupled weight decay, the spectral norm of weight matrices drifts upward over training. Through a decomposition of the spectral norm into a row-magnitude factor and a row-coherence factor, we identify the former as the empirical driver of this drift under Muon, while the latter remains well-behaved along the trajectory. Motivated by this diagnosis, we introduce Muown, a drop-in replacement for Muon that treats the row-magnitude vector as an explicit optimizer variable, updating it under the ℓ∞ geometry induced by the decomposition, while applying Muon unchanged to the remaining direction component. We prove that Muown attains the optimal non-convex rates in both deterministic and stochastic regimes under a dual norm aligned with the underlying geometries and with a stochastic noise coefficient that empirically remains below that of Muon throughout training. Across GPT-style pre-training on FineWeb-Edu with model sizes from 124M up to 2.7B parameters, Muown improves perplexity over Muon, SOAP, AdamW, and Lion. It also widens the plateau of near-optimal learning rates across model scales, reduces sensitivity to weight decay, and avoids the spectral norm drift at negligible step-time overhead when appropriately sharded.
The Muon optimizer has recently offered a promising alternative to AdamW for large language model training, leveraging matrix orthogonalization to produce geometry-aware updates. However, like all first-order methods, Muon can become trapped in sharp local minima. In this work, we present MONA, an optimizer that bridges Muon's orthogonalization framework with curvature-aware acceleration. MONA adds an acceleration term directly into Muon's gradient processing pipeline. This term is calculated from the exponential moving average of gradient differences. We provide a detailed convergence analysis for MONA, showing that the acceleration term introduces curvature-sensitive corrections while preserving Muon's spectral-norm regularization. Empirically, MONA achieves better convergence and downstream task performance compared to both Muon and AdamW across three scales of Mixture-of-Experts pretraining, spanning from 1B to 68B parameters, with the largest model trained on 1 trillion tokens. Furthermore, we conduct supervised fine-tuning on the MOE-68B-A3B model and evaluate it on general capability, mathematical reasoning, and code generation benchmarks, where MONA achieves SOTA performance.