Instability of LLM Pre-Pretraining: It Doesn't Always Help. An Investigation on Multiple Languages
Authors: Sofiia Riazhskykh, Nam Luu, Ondřej Bojar
Organizations: Charles University, Faculty of Mathematics and Physics
Abstract
Pretraining LLMs on artificial languages ("pre-pretraining") is a technique that could reportedly increase token efficiency by 33%, i.e., save up to 33% of training tokens needed to reach a certain performance. We validate this prior result for English on a larger set of natural languages across four language families, using two different tokenizers and varying model sizes. We also relate the observed gains (or losses) in token efficiency to quantified linguistic properties of the languages, such as sentence length, morphological richness, and features of dependency syntactic trees (tree depth, number of children, number of crossing dependencies). Our empirical results indicate that the reported gains depend heavily on the experiment setup and the choice of random seed, although we can confirm the trend of stable gains with 128-Dyck pretraining of small models with the Llama tokenizer for most of the examined languages. On a general note, we argue that multiple training runs should be carried out at least for a subset of experiments to avoid the community adopting unstable approaches.
Large Language Models (LLMs) have made remarkable progress in the processing and modeling of many languages. Yet, unlike human multilinguals, they exhibit surprisingly limited cross-lingual knowledge transfer. While this limitation is well documented, its origins during multilingual training remain unclear. We pretrain 360M- and 7B-parameter LLMs and show that poor cross-lingual knowledge generalization emerges during pretraining and persists under standard interventions. To isolate its cause, we employ a controlled bilingual pretraining setting using two copies of the same language, sharing identical text and token segmentation, but mapped to disjoint token spaces. We find that disjoint tokens alone are enough to induce knowledge compartmentalization, even between identical copies of the same language, establishing disjoint token spaces as a fundamental barrier to cross-lingual knowledge generalization. Guided by this understanding, we suggest mapping languages into a shared token space by simple word-wise translation and find it substantially improves cross-lingual knowledge generalization, recovering up to 12.6% of native-language learning efficiency --- 14× the baseline.
Pre-pretraining language models (LMs) on symbolic data can accelerate and improve natural language acquisition. However, existing pre-pretraining tasks, such as Dyck and procedural algorithms, rely on narrow primitives that fail to capture the expressive capacity of natural language. Moreover, prior studies remain restricted to relatively small token budgets, offering limited insight into skill emergence and representational dynamics. To address these limitations, we propose logic pre-pretraining (Logic-PPT) as a principled initialization strategy, leveraging formal derivations to impart richer structural and linguistic biases. Formal derivations require abstract mechanisms that are central to natural language, simultaneously binding variables, connecting quantifiers and relational dependencies, and composing predicate-argument structures over long contexts. Scaling our evaluation to a 100B-token regime, logic pre-pretraining substantially accelerates skill acquisition in LMs, achieving 80% accuracy on linguistic tasks with 36B fewer tokens than standard initialization, and outperforming alternative pre-pretraining baselines. Mechanistically, formal derivations induce persistent structural reorganization, distinctively characterized by a lower-rank, spectrally concentrated representation space. Crucially, we show that this internal geometry enables improved model compressibility via pruning, matching the dense baseline performance even at ≈33% sparsity.
Large language models (LLMs) rely on web-scale corpora for pre-training. The noise inherent in these datasets tends to obscure meaningful patterns and ultimately degrade model performance. Data curation mitigates but cannot eliminate such noise, so pre-training corpora remain noisy in practice. We therefore study whether a lightweight pre-pre-training (PPT) stage based on synthetic data with learnable temporal structure helps resist noisy data during the pre-training (PT) stage. Across various corruption settings, our method consistently improves robustness to noise during PT, with larger relative gains at higher noise levels. For a 1B-parameter model, a synthetic PPT stage with only 65M tokens achieves the same final loss as the baseline while using up to 49% fewer natural-text PT tokens across different noise levels. Mechanistic analyses suggest PPT does not immediately suppress attention to noisy tokens. Rather, PPT-initialized models gradually downweight attention between corrupted tokens during noisy PT. This indicates that synthetic PPT inhibits noise self-modeling and shapes the subsequent optimization trajectory. Code is available at https://github.com/guox18/formal-language-prepretraining.