A Refresh Interval Does Not Fully Specify a Refresh Schedule: Learning-Rate-Dependent Placement in Kronecker-Preconditioned Language Model Training

Optimizers play an important role in both pretraining and finetuning stages when training large language models (LLMs). In this paper, we present an observation that full finetuning with the same optimizer as in pretraining achieves a better learning-forgetting tradeoff, i.e., forgetting less while achieving the same or better performance on the new task, than other optimizers and, possibly surprisingly, LoRA, during the supervised finetuning (SFT) stage. We term this phenomenon optimizer-model consistency. To better understand it, through controlled experiments and theoretical analysis, we show that: 1) optimizers can shape the models by having regularization effects on the activations, leading to different landscapes around the pretrained checkpoints; 2) in response to this regularization effect, the weight update in SFT should follow some specific structures to lower forgetting of the knowledge learned in pretraining, which can be obtained by using the same optimizer. Moreover, we specifically compare Muon and AdamW when they are employed throughout the pretraining and SFT stages and find that Muon performs worse when finetuned for reasoning tasks. With a synthetic language modeling experiment, we demonstrate that this can come from Muon's strong tendency towards rote memorization, which may hurt pattern acquisition with a small amount of data, as for SFT.

Schedule-Free Learning has shown promise as a practical anytime training method for machine learning, showing success across dozens of standard benchmark problems. However, strong performance for LLM training has only been demonstrated at small scales. We identify a number of fixes necessary to scale up Schedule-Free Learning to larger batch sizes and model sizes, and present a learning-rate-free and schedule-free method (ScheduleFree+) for training large language models which greatly outperforms Warmup-Stable-Decay (WSD) schedules. We also demonstrate that Schedule-Free Learning is most effective for long duration training, and at 1000 tokens per parameter, it outperforms SOTA schedules by 31%. Schedule-Free Learning provides a theoretical foundation for the use of model averaging and checkpoint merging during pretraining.

Learning rate schedules are typically fixed before training begins, yet when fine-tuning large language models with low-rank adapters (LoRA), the appropriate scale varies substantially with the model, task, and adapter configuration. Practitioners re-tune a schedule for every new problem, yet a tuned schedule still cannot react to the training dynamics it encounters. We instead amortize learning rate selection across LoRA fine-tuning problems. We leave the base optimizer, Muon, untouched, so that its normalized update fixes the direction, and meta-learn only the global step size. Our method MuPACE is a small recurrent policy, meta-trained across a distribution of fine-tuning runs, that conditions on the observed trajectory and emits bounded adjustments to an interpretable analytic schedule. On 64 fine-tuning problems, MuPACE outperforms standard fixed schedules at a strong shared default on 64-78% of problems and is on par with the same schedules with per-task tuned peaks. Meta-trained only on models with up to 16 layers, MuPACE transfers one-shot to unseen tasks on models as deep as 64 layers, such as Qwen3-32B and Qwen3.8-27B, where a single run remains competitive with swept schedules.