When Flat Minima Fail: Characterizing INT4 Quantization Collapse After FP32 Convergence

We test whether the optimal learning-rate schedule depends on bit-width during from-initialisation quantisation-aware training (QAT) for sub-100M decoder language models. A 720-run factorial grid (Phase 2) over bit-width x warmdown fraction x LR magnitude x model size x seed (FP16/INT8/INT6, 15M-100M, 5 seeds) finds the optimal warmdown is 33% at every (bit-width, size) cell. The primary hypothesis -- that INT6 QAT requires a different schedule than higher-precision training -- is falsified at FP16/INT8/INT6. A 625-run follow-up (Phase 5) probes the null along five axes: optimiser (AdamW), schedule shape (cosine), training length (up to 9x more iterations), an extended size sweep (5M-350M), and an INT4 sweep from 3M to 100M. The null is robust under all three setup changes. The INT6 penalty follows a log-linear scaling law whose fit on Phase 2 predicts the five held-out Phase 5 sizes (5M, 8M, 175M, 250M, 350M) within their 95% prediction intervals (5/5). For INT4 the picture is sharper than the higher precisions: at 50M and 100M, wd33 is decisively optimal (paired z ~ 12-15, 10/10 seeds); below 50M, across the six tested sizes from 3M to 30M, no individual size shows a statistically significant schedule preference and the per-size mean penalty oscillates within seed-level noise. The boundary is therefore a transition between a noise-dominated regime below 50M and a decisive wd33 regime at and above 50M, not a clean wd10 region. A weight-to-grid-distance probe falsifies the simplest mechanism for the FP16/INT8/INT6 null result (rapid grid-snapping): pre-warmdown, INT6-QAT weights sit at essentially the same distance from the INT6 grid as FP16 weights (ratio ~ 1.04). Practical recommendation: at sub-100M scale, tune the LR schedule once at FP16 and apply unchanged to INT8/INT6 QAT; for INT4 at 50M+ use wd33; for INT4 below 50M the schedule choice is in the noise.

Post-training quantization (PTQ) is widely used to reduce the memory and computational cost of large language models. Existing PTQ methods typically obtain an initial quantized model through heuristic rules or greedy optimization, and once quantization is completed the resulting integer assignments are usually treated as final. This observation motivates a complementary optimization stage within PTQ that keeps quantized weights improvable after an executable quantized model has been produced, while preserving the quantized format. We introduce ReQuant, a backpropagation-free fixed-grid refinement procedure for this stage. Agnostic to the PTQ initializer, ReQuant takes an existing quantized model as a feasible starting point and iteratively revisits its discrete weight assignments on the fixed quantization grid. Accepted updates strictly reduce the mean squared reconstruction error and remain on the original grid. In this way, ReQuant turns the initially fixed PTQ output into an iteratively optimizable discrete solution and serves as a plug-and-play post-processing stage for existing PTQ pipelines. Experiments across diverse model families, bit-widths, and downstream tasks show that ReQuant consistently improves quantized models from heterogeneous PTQ initializers, with especially large gains on simple initializers and lower bit-widths. Notably, ReQuant can refine a simple round-to-nearest initialization across multiple sweeps until it approaches or surpasses GPTAQ under the same quantization format. These results establish ReQuant as a practical complementary stage for further improving existing PTQ pipelines.

Why does full-pipeline FP4 training of large language models often diverge, even when forward activations and activation gradients remain stable? We address this question through a controlled study of MXFP4 quantization in transformer training, progressively enabling FP4 across forward propagation (Fprop), activation gradients (Dgrad), and weight gradients (Wgrad) while holding all other factors fixed. In full pretraining of Llama 3.1-8B on the C4 dataset, we observe that quantizing Wgrad is the primary driver of convergence degradation, whereas FP4 in Fprop and Dgrad alone introduces only modest additional token requirements. To interpret this behavior, we evaluate both structured and stochastic interventions under a controlled experimental setting. We find that stochastic rounding and randomized Hadamard rotations fail to stabilize training once Wgrad is quantized, whereas deterministic Hadamard rotations consistently restore stable optimization. These results suggest that FP4 training instability is driven by structured micro-scaling errors along sensitive gradient paths, rather than by insufficient stochasticity. We run experiments with native MXFP4 support on AMD Instinct MI355X GPUs, enabling controlled investigation of these effects without reliance on software emulation.