From SGD to Muon: Adaptive Optimization via Schatten-p Norms

Orthogonalized momentum updates, as used in Muon-style optimizers, have recently shown strong empirical stability in large-scale deep learning. However, most current orthogonalized methods are still paired with fixed, externally scheduled, or otherwise open-loop magnitude rules, so their scale is not directly calibrated from the realized optimization trajectory. Motivated by the closed-loop perspective behind Lipschitz-free and noise-adaptive methods, we propose OptMuon, a family of adaptive momentum orthogonalization methods for stochastic nonconvex optimization. OptMuon combines Muon-style polar-factor directions with a trajectory-dependent AdaGrad-Norm-type coefficient schedule, so that the update magnitude is determined by the observed gradient and momentum history rather than by a prescribed Lipschitz-dependent rule. The schedule does not use the smoothness constant, the variance level, or the bounded-gradient constant in parameter selection, and its running-maximum correction prevents isolated gradient spikes from causing excessive coefficient collapse. Under lower-boundedness, unbiased stochastic gradients with bounded variance, smoothness, and an almost-sure bounded stochastic-gradient condition, we prove two complementary expected-stationarity guarantees. OptMuon-A achieves the noise-adaptive rate $\tilde{\mathcal O}(T^{-1/2}+σ^{1/2}T^{-1/4})$ under average smoothness, while OptMuon-I achieves $\tilde{\mathcal O}(T^{-1/2}+σ^{1/3}T^{-1/3})$ under individual smoothness. In the zero-noise regime, both bounds automatically reduce to a nearly optimal deterministic first-order rate $\tilde{\mathcal O}(T^{-1/2})$ without manual hyperparameter retuning. These results show that closed-loop scalar adaptation can be combined with Muon-style momentum orthogonalization while retaining noise adaptivity and zero-noise optimality up to logarithmic factors.

The recent empirical success of the Muon optimizer has renewed interest in non-Euclidean optimization, typically justified by similarities with second-order methods, and linear minimization oracle (LMO) theory. In this paper, we challenge this geometric narrative through three contributions, demonstrating that precise geometric structure is not the key factor affecting optimization performance. First, we introduce Freon, a family of optimizers based on Schatten (quasi-)norms, powered by a novel, provably optimal QDWH-based iterative approximation. Freon naturally interpolates between SGD and Muon, while smoothly extrapolating into the quasi-norm regime. Empirically, the best-performing Schatten parameters for GPT-2 lie strictly within the quasi-norm regime, and thus cannot be represented by any unitarily invariant LMO. Second, noting that Freon performs well across a wide range of exponents, we introduce Kaon, an absurd optimizer that replaces singular values with random noise. Despite lacking any coherent geometric structure, Kaon matches Muon's performance and retains classical convergence guarantees, proving that strict adherence to a precise geometry is practically irrelevant. Third, having shown that geometry is not the primary driver of performance, we demonstrate it is instead controlled by two local quantities: alignment and descent potential. Ultimately, each optimizer must tune its step size around these two quantities. While their dynamics are difficult to predict a-priori, evaluating them within a stochastic random feature model yields a precise insight: Muon succeeds not by tracking an ideal global geometry, but by guaranteeing step-size optimality.

Muon has recently emerged as a strong optimizer for large-scale deep learning, where it reshapes gradient updates through approximate orthogonalization and has been reported to outperform Adam and AdamW in large language model training. Its empirical success has motivated a growing body of theoretical work that interprets Muon as steepest descent under the spectral norm. Yet it remains unclear which of Muon's advantages stem from its update rule itself and which are artifacts of the scale, architecture, and data of modern deep networks. In this work, we isolate the optimizer from these confounding factors by studying Muon on a simple, well-understood, and spectrally structured problem: low-rank matrix factorization. Through a controlled comparison against carefully tuned adaptive baselines, we find that Muon does not consistently outperform AdamW in this setting and that several previously reported advantages are sensitive to hyperparameter choices. Our results provide a more nuanced picture of when spectrum-aware orthogonalization is beneficial and argue for evaluating modern optimizers on controlled problems in addition to end-to-end benchmarks.