PostDeg: Placement Beats Parameterization in LayerNorm GNNs

Pre-norm is the standard normalization placement in modern Transformers because it facilitates joint optimization of full-depth models. We ask whether this preference persists when depth is introduced through a curriculum. In curriculum depth growth, each appended block receives the boundary representation produced by a trained prefix, making normalization placement relevant to forward conditioning. We therefore test whether placement and training curriculum interact. In a controlled distillation study with a Qwen3-8B teacher and a nine-layer student, pre-norm and post-norm are indistinguishable under joint training, differing by $0.0004$ validation CE, while post-norm improves over pre-norm by $0.0328$ under curriculum growth, an order of magnitude larger. A post-joint control matched by student active-layer tokens remains worse than post-grow, which rules out compute as the sole explanation. The ranking crosses over during the curriculum: post-norm takes the lead once blocks are appended. Single-block and freeze controls localize the ranking change to block appending rather than shallow-block quality or retraining. Boundary diagnostics associate post-norm with stable residual scales and pre-norm with structural-token scale drift; on a fixed batch, the final pre-grow block is also nearly identity-mapped. Together with the phase-wise crossover, these observations are consistent with boundary-scale conditioning after new blocks are appended. The results motivate treating normalization placement and training curriculum as coupled design choices in this distillation setting.

Pretrained transformers sit near singular minima of the loss, where the Fisher information metric degenerates along dead directions: directions in parameter space along which the directional Fisher vanishes. Locating such a direction normally needs a forward pass and an eigendecomposition of activations, or a sampling-based complexity estimate; none returns a direction computable from the network's parameters alone. We give one, for LayerNorm transformers. The inverse-scale direction $γ^{-1}/\|γ^{-1}\|$ of the LayerNorm affine is an exact algebraic kernel of the post-final-norm centred activation covariance, for any input distribution, and induces a corresponding dead direction in parameter space. It is read from the LN scale parameter alone, with no forward or backward pass and no eigensolve: the cheapest dead-direction read, specific to LayerNorm. We test it on $14$ pretrained transformers ($9$ LayerNorm, $5$ RMSNorm; $160$M-$35$B; language and vision objectives). At random initialisation the predicted direction matches the measured bottom singular direction (one forward pass, direct SVD) to four decimal places on $9/9$ LayerNorm models, and is correctly absent on $5/5$ RMSNorm models, which lack the mean-subtraction projector that creates it. On the trained checkpoint the covariance eigenvalue along this direction deepens by ${\sim}10^3\times$ and further dead directions open; the random-init-to-trained gap is a one-forward-pass, per-checkpoint readout of singular structure along the predicted coordinate. Two consequences follow in closed form: the residual stream's smallest singular value is preserved block-to-block on $13/14$ transformers measured on their own input distribution, the one exception (Gemma$4$-$31$B) a genuine dead direction the same read pinpoints; and the kernel direction's presence classifies a transformer's normalisation from the parameters alone.

Dynamic Tanh (DyT) removes LayerNorm by bounding activations with a learned tanh(alpha x). We show that this bounding is a regime-dependent implicit regularizer, not a uniformly beneficial replacement. Across GPT-2-family models spanning 64M to 3.78B parameters and 1M to 118M tokens, with Llama and ViT cross-checks, DyT improves validation loss by 27.3% at 64M/1M but worsens it by 18.8% at 64M/118M; the 1M benefit vanishes with capacity (+1.7% at 3.78B), while the 118M penalty reaches +27.9%. The mechanism is measurable: 49% of DyT activations saturate at 1M versus 23% at 118M, and a 500-step saturation heuristic classifies DyT's sign with 75% raw in-sample accuracy on the 12-cell GPT-2 calibration set (AUC 0.75; 64% when adding Scale 5 stress cells), correctly labels 3/3 Llama checks, but only reaches 50% raw leave-one-scale-out accuracy. Three interventions support the bounding explanation: HardTanh reproduces the regime pattern, increasing alpha at 118M monotonically reduces DyT's penalty, and vanilla+dropout(p=0.5) matches DyT's data-rich loss. We also localize Llama-DyT collapse to SwiGLU gating, where saturation separates collapse from convergence in a 3-seed component ablation (r=0.94). Scope: all experiments are compute-limited (T/P < 1.84), below Chinchilla-optimal training.