Fine-grained visual reasoning requires multimodal large language models (MLLMs) to identify task-relevant visual evidence and ground their reasoning in local image regions. Existing agentic methods typically rely on reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards or supervised fine-tuning on large-scale annotated reasoning traces, leading to costly exploration, hand-designed verification rules, or heavy dependence on textual supervision. A natural way to avoid such external answer labels is to learn from trajectories sampled by the student itself, which points to On-Policy Distillation (OPD). To understand what OPD can and cannot provide for visual reasoning, we revisit it as negative-free stop-gradient alignment. This perspective shows that, although OPD provides effective token-level correction, its ceiling is constrained by the absence of trajectory-level discrimination. Motivated by these observations, we propose V-Zero, an answer-label-free framework for visual reasoning with contrastive evidence gating. V-Zero uses no annotated textual answer labels; instead, during training it pairs a question-relevant regional crop with a negative visual view to evaluate student-sampled trajectories and gate dense token-level distillation. Experiments on multiple visual reasoning benchmarks show that V-Zero consistently improves fine-grained visual reasoning while preserving strong generalization. Notably, V-Zero is more than 5× faster than previous supervised fine-tuning methods and more than 10× faster than reinforcement learning baselines. Code and dataset will be released at https://github.com/eVI-group-SCU/V-Zero
Multimodal large language models (MLLMs) fail at fine-grained visual questions less because they cannot reason than because they never see the evidence: high-resolution images are downsampled before encoding, so the model answers from linguistic priors. The standard remedies are expensive: annotated answers (SFT), hand-engineered verifiers (RLVR), or a large external teacher (on-policy distillation). We ask whether the visual evidence itself can supply the signal for free. We formalize the contrastive evidence gap, the per-token log-likelihood ratio that a model assigns to its own output when conditioned on a question-relevant region versus an irrelevant one, and study it across Qwen2.5-VL-7B, Qwen3-VL-8B, and Qwen3-VL-30B-A3B on V*Bench. Our main positive result is training-free: selecting the candidate crop under which the model's answer distribution is most peaked, using a single-view, label-free criterion, discovers the answer-bearing region with no bounding boxes, training, or labels. It localizes the target 4.4 to 5.1 times better than chance and raises fine-grained accuracy from 70 percent to 85 percent at inference. We further show that the gap is complementary to the model's own confidence. Combining them predicts correctness better than either alone, with AUC up to 0.99, and flags confidently wrong answers, with AUC ranging from 0.97 to 1.00 within the high-confidence subset. All effects concentrate on perception-bottleneck questions and vanish on a global-context control. Finally, we report an honest negative result: converting the same signal into a training method, gated self-distillation (SEG-Distill), does not outperform the base model at pilot scale across three gate designs, while more aggressive gating degrades accuracy. The signal is real, but converting it into training gains remains an open problem.
Fine-grained visual reasoning remains challenging for vision-language models, especially when small but critical visual cues are buried in high-resolution images. Existing approaches rely on repeated cropping or test-time visual search to introduce local evidence, but they typically do not explicitly distinguish perception from reasoning. In this paper, we propose Perceive-to-Reason (P2R), a unified framework that formulates fine-grained visual reasoning as a two-stage process: the model first localizes question-relevant evidence as a Perceiver, and then answers the question as a Reasoner based on the annotated image and cropped regions. To better align training with this decoupled formulation, we further introduce Perception-Reasoning Alternating GRPO (PRA-GRPO), a role-aware reinforcement learning strategy that alternates between perception-focused and reasoning-focused updates using only final-answer supervision. Built on top of Qwen3-VL-Instruct-2B/4B/8B, P2R consistently improves performance across model scales. In particular, P2R-4B achieves 93.2% on V-Star, 81.9% on HR-Bench-4K, and 80.5% on HR-Bench-8K, substantially outperforming its corresponding backbone. Further experiments show that the benefits of P2R extend beyond high-resolution benchmarks to broader multimodal reasoning tasks. These results suggest that explicitly decoupling perception from reasoning provides an effective framework for fine-grained visual reasoning.
Multimodal Large Language Models (MLLMs) still struggle with fine-grained visual understanding, where answers often depend on small but decisive evidence in the full image. We observe a regional-to-global perception gap: the same MLLM answers fine-grained questions more accurately when conditioned on evidence-centered crops than on the corresponding full images, suggesting that many failures stem from difficulty to focus on relevant evidence rather than insufficient local recognition ability. Motivated by this observation, we propose Vision-OPD (Vision On-Policy Distillation), a regional-to-global self-distillation framework that transfers the model's own privileged regional perception to its full-image policy. Vision-OPD instantiates two conditional policies from the same MLLM: a crop-conditioned teacher and a full-image-conditioned student. The student generates on-policy rollouts, and Vision-OPD minimizes token-level divergence between the teacher and student next-token distributions along these rollouts. This enables the model to internalize the benefit of visual zooming without external teacher models, ground-truth labels, reward verifiers, or inference-time tool use. Experiments on multiple fine-grained visual understanding benchmarks show that Vision-OPD models achieve competitive or superior performance against much larger open-source, closed-source, and "Thinking-with-Images" agentic models. The code is available at https://github.com/VisionOPD/Vision-OPD