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Sep 3, 2026cs.AI

Why Gated DeltaNet Survives 4-Bit Quantization: NVFP4 W4A4 for the Recurrent Half of a Hybrid 27B LLM

Hybrid LLMs pair softmax attention with linear-attention layers such as Gated DeltaNet (GDN), whose recurrent state summarizes the context in fixed size. Early community 4-bit quantizations of Qwen3.8-27B (48 GDN layers, 16 attention layers) left the GDN block in 8- or 16-bit precision -- especially its decay and write-strength gates -- on the intuition that errors in a recurrence accumulate over long contexts. We test that intuition by building Minima: NVFP4 W4A4 on all 496 linear layers, GDN included. Across perplexity at 4K/32K, MMLU-Pro, GSM8K, AIME'25, GPQA-Diamond, LiveCodeBench, and RULER retrieval to 64K, Minima matches BF16 within seed noise (5-task average -0.52) while being the smallest (17.5 GiB) and fastest-prefill (+14-19%) recipe we compare, and its 32K perplexity gap shrinks with position. A four-part mechanism study explains why: (i) NVFP4's 16-element block scaling localizes the residual stream's extreme outliers, equalizing activation error across layer roles; (ii) the supposedly fragile gate projections are the least sensitive -- softplus/exponential and sigmoid parameterizations compress ~11% GEMM error to ~2% output error; (iii) the delta-rule recurrence holds injected noise at a flat plateau over 32K tokens and forgets a state impulse within hundreds of steps, because each write overwrites the state along the current key direction; (iv) the per-token quantization cost washes out with context instead of compounding. We also repair a global-scale mismatch that arises when per-module-calibrated NVFP4 checkpoints are served by kernels that fuse those modules into one GEMM, and show calibrated FP8 KV-cache scales are performance-free. The result: a practical recipe -- quantize everything, ship KV scales -- and a mechanistic account of why the recurrent half of a hybrid LLM is the easy half to quantize. Checkpoint: https://huggingface.co/minima-ai/mnma_qwen3.8_27b_nvfp4
Sergii Kozyrev, Davyd Maiboroda
Aug 3, 2026cs.AI

FOCUS: FP4 Optimization via Coupled-Relaxation and Dual-Granularity Scaling

Large language models (LLMs) achieve remarkable performance but are expensive to deploy due to their enormous size. FP4 quantization, with formats such as MXFP4 and NVFP4, offers an appealing solution with native hardware support on modern accelerators. However, maintaining accuracy under FP4 precision remains difficult. A key bottleneck lies in scale optimization: existing methods tightly couple the quantization and dequantization scales, forcing both to conform to the discrete low-precision format required by hardware, such as E8M0 in MXFP4. Yet the quantization scale is never stored and need not obey this constraint, suggesting a significant untapped optimization space. In this work, we propose FOCUS, a post-training quantization framework with end-to-end scale learning for FP4 Optimization via Coupled-Relaxation and Dual-Granularity Scaling. Coupled-Relaxation Scaling (CRS) relaxes the tight coupling between quantization and dequantization scales with a learnable full-precision coefficient, enabling more effective optimization without breaking hardware compliance. Dual-Granularity Scaling (DGS) further refines the quantization scale at a finer sub-block granularity, allowing more precise adaptation to local weight distributions. Experiments across multiple LLM families and benchmarks show that FOCUS achieves state-of-the-art FP4 accuracy under both MXFP4 and NVFP4 formats, while introducing no additional inference overhead. Code and quantized models will be released at https://github.com/tencent/AngelSlim.
Xianglong Yan, Hong Liu, Chengzhu Bao +4
Jul 29, 2026cs.LG

HiFloat4 Format for End-To-End Reinforcement Learning Post-Training of Large Language Models

We present, to our knowledge, the first end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, in which both the rollout and training policies, including their forward and backward passes, operate at 4-bit precision. A systematic study reveals that the dominant source of degradation in FP4 RL is not training-side quantization error but rollout activation quantization: outliers stretch the dynamic range so far that a large number of activation values underflow to zero under FP4. Counterintuitively, restoring the training policy to higher precision while keeping the rollout in FP4 makes accuracy worse than full FP4 baseline, exposing rollout-training mismatch as the principal failure mode and ruling out standard pretraining-style fixes. We address this with Rollout Residual Quantization (Rollout-ResQ): a single residual correction term constrained to a hardware-friendly sparsity pattern, added only to the FP4 rollout matmul -- a lightweight correction that recovers most of the precision lost to outlier-driven underflow without inflating the rollout's compute footprint. On Qwen2.5-3B and Qwen2.5-Math-7B, Rollout-ResQ paired with the HiFloat4 (HiF4) format -- whose three-level hierarchical scaling preserves resolution under FP4's tight 4-bit budget -- closes the accuracy gap to BF16 from 4.9% to 1.1%, bringing fully quantized FP4 RL within striking distance of full precision. Applied to the open-standard MXFP4, the same recipe narrows the gap from 13.6% to 5.3%, revealing that FP4 format choice is a key factor that determines the ceiling on recoverable accuracy. Together, these results establish HiF4 as the enabling format for end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, and Rollout-ResQ as the activation-side mechanism that makes the gap to BF16 closable.
Hei Yi Mak, Shadan Golestan, Hoang Le +10
Jul 27, 2026cs.LG

Stable FP4 Training via Transposition-Invariant Block Quantization

Reducing training precision is a key lever for improving the e ciency of large language model (LLM) training, but pushing beyond FP8 to 4-bit oating point (FP4) remains challenging due to instability during optimization. We identify a fundamental source of this instability in existing microscaling approaches: scale inconsistency induced by tensor transposition. In conventional 1D block quantization, forward and backward passes assign di erent scaling factors to the same values after transposition, leading to biased and unstable gradient updates. To address this issue, we propose a low-precision training framework based on 2D block FP4 quantization, which enforces transposition-invariant scaling and preserves consistency between forward and backward computations. We further combine this with truncation-free scaling and stochastic rounding to control quantization error and maintain unbiased gradients. To handle the sensitivity of attention mechanisms, we adopt MXFP8 quantization for query and key projections, yielding a practical mixed-precision design. We evaluate our method on dense LLMs up to 7B parameters and a 30B Mixture-of-Experts model, trained on up to 100B tokens. Across all settings, our approach achieves stable end-to-end FP4 training and closely matches BF16 performance, with less than 1.3% degradation in perplexity and downstream accuracy. These results demonstrate that enforcing forwardbackward scaling consistency is su cient to enable practical FP4 training at scale, providing a simple and e ective pathway toward more e cient LLM training.
Mehdi Rahimifar, Amin Darabi, Mehran Taghian Jazi +6
Jul 5, 2026cs.LG

Full-Stack FP4: Stable LLM Pretraining with Quantized Projections, Optimizers, and Attention

Recent NVFP4 pretraining methods mainly target transformer linear layers, leaving optimizer states, optimizer arithmetic and attention underexplored in 4-bit pipelines. This critical gap blocks stable full-stack 4-bit pretraining, as the three core modules exhibit unique numerical failure patterns: linear layers hit hard quantization noise limits with dimension-propagated error amplification; AdamW second moments are heavy-tailed non-negative values fragile to low-precision denominators; attention carries error-prone computation paths demanding strict forward-backward quantization consistency. We propose Full-Stack FP4, the first complete NVFP4 pretraining framework resolving all three stability bottlenecks via module-wise precision strategies. For linear projections, LoRA-SVD lightweight decomposition suppresses quantization noise and breaks the direct-quantization error ceiling, shrinking the linear-only loss gap from 1.40% to 0.61%. For optimizers, we design AdamW second-moment transformation for robust NVFP4 storage and fully support native NVFP4 Newton-Schulz iterations for the Root (Muon) optimizer. For attention, a mixed-precision scheme quantizes Q/K/V and backward dS while guarding vulnerable paths in BF16, paired with unified tensor reuse to sustain forward-backward alignment. We further analyze fast error accumulation in naive low-bit matrix multiplication and the extreme sensitivity of PV / dOV^T attention branches. All modules are plug-and-play with cumulative stability and efficiency improvements. Our 3B/64B-token pretraining validates near-BF16 performance with merely 1.47% loss gap, verifying feasible stable end-to-end NVFP4 LLM pretraining.
Siyu Ding, Mingchuan Ma, Jiabo Tong +3
Jun 28, 2026cs.CV

W4A4 Quantization for Inference on Wan2.2-I2V-A14B

We summarize our submission to Sub-Challenge 1: W4A4 Quantization for Inference (HiF4 / MXFP4) of the ICME 2026 Low-Bit-width Large-Model Quantization Challenge. The sub-challenge targets 4-bit weight and 4-bit activation inference on Wan-AI/Wan2.2-I2V-A14B under HiF4 or MXFP4 numerical formats. We adapt two complementary ideas from LLM quantization, MixQ-style mixed precision for sparse activation outliers and SmoothQuant-style per-channel smoothing, together with block-wise HiF4 packing for Wan2.2 feed-forward linear layers. Calibration on representative OpenS2V-5M batches identifies heavy-tailed activation channels; smoothing rebalances dynamic range before W4A4 rounding; and a dual-branch GEMM preserves outlier columns in higher precision while the bulk of channels use strict W4A4. On official VBench I2V metrics, our pipeline stays within 2-3.5 percent of FP16 on most quality axes and improves motion smoothness, outperforming a native HiFloat4 baseline that degrades roughly 5 percent relative to FP16 across all reported scores.
Yidong Chen, Chengyu Shi, Jiahao Liu
Jun 18, 2026cs.AI

Rethinking Shrinkage Bias in LLM FP4 Pretraining: Geometric Origin, Systemic Impact, and UFP4 Recipe

FP4 training promises substantial reductions in memory and computation cost for LLM pretraining, yet current FP4 hardware paths and recipes, including NVIDIA Blackwell/Rubin-class systems and AMD MI350-series GPUs, remain centered on E2M1 data elements. In this study, we identify a fundamental limitation of that choice: non-uniform formats such as E2M1 inherently suffer from Shrinkage Bias, a systematic negative rounding error caused by the geometric asymmetry of their representable bins. We show that this bias accumulates multiplicatively across layers and is amplified by the Random Hadamard Transform (RHT), providing a unified explanation for the training instability observed in existing E2M1-based FP4 recipes. In contrast, uniform grids (E1M2/INT4) bypass this grid-geometry error and better convert the improved bucket utilization from RHT into higher quantization quality. Based on this finding, we propose UFP4, a uniform 4-bit training recipe that applies RHT to all three training GEMMs while restricting stochastic rounding to dY alone. On Dense 1.5B, MoE 7.9B, and MoE 124B long-run pretraining, UFP4 consistently achieves lower BF16-relative loss degradation than strong E2M1-based baselines, supported by scaling-law analysis and ablation studies. Our results suggest that future accelerators should support E1M2/INT4-style uniform 4-bit grids as first-class training primitives alongside E2M1.
Qian Zhao, Kunlong Chen, Changxin Tian +9
Jun 14, 2026cs.LG

ReQAT: Achieving Full-Precision Reasoning Accuracy with 4-bit Floating-Point Quantization-Aware Training

Large Reasoning Models (LRMs) achieve strong problem-solving through long chain-of-thought, but their deployment is constrained by the high cost of full-precision inference and growing KV cache footprints. Microscaled FP4 formats enable efficient FP4 deployment; however, fully quantizing weights, activations, and KV caches (W4A4KV4) causes severe reasoning degradation that existing PTQ and QAT fail to recover. We identify that FP4 failures concentrate on low-entropy tokens--precise symbolic commitments such as digits and operators--where quantization noise inflates sampling errors that cascade through reasoning traces. Based on this insight, we propose ReQAT, a reasoning-centric FP4 training framework with three components: (i) Trace-Aligned QAT (TAQ), which revisits identical reasoning traces to focus updates on critical low-entropy decisions; (ii) Selective Entropy Minimization (SEM), which reinforces confidence at low-entropy positions; and (iii) Q-FIT, a quantization-friendly initialization that jointly calibrates RoPE-consistent KV cache transformations to stabilize QAT. Under the same training budget, ReQAT not only recovers but surpasses BF16 fine-tuning accuracy, while delivering up to 3.9x throughput speedup on NVIDIA DGX Spark and 3.1x on B200.
Janghwan Lee, Sihwa Lee, Jinseok Kim +4
Jun 11, 2026cs.LG

ReSET: Accurate Latency-Critical NVFP4 Reasoning via Step-Aware Temperature Scaling

Large reasoning models (LRMs) improve complex problem-solving by generating long intermediate reasoning traces, but this substantially increases inference costs. NVFP4 inference offers a promising approach to reduce both computational and memory costs through hardware-supported low-precision execution. However, directly applying NVFP4 to LRMs introduces two practical limitations: reasoning accuracy degrades under quantization, and existing NVFP4 kernels do not fully realize latency benefits in small-batch autoregressive decoding. In this work, we analyze the effect of NVFP4 quantization on token-level uncertainty during reasoning. We show that quantization increases incorrect sampling at low-entropy symbolic tokens, while causing over-concentration on a small set of tokens in high-uncertainty reasoning steps. Based on this observation, we propose \textbf{ReSET}, a reasoning-step entropy-based temperature-scaling method that estimates step-level uncertainty online and adapts the decoding temperature using both token-level and step-level entropy signals. To address the latency gap, we further design a CUDA-core small-MM NVFP4 kernel for latency-critical autoregressive decoding. Across reasoning benchmarks and model scales, ReSET improves NVFP4 reasoning accuracy by up to  ⁣\sim\!2 points over the NVFP4 baseline. Our CUDA-core small-MM kernel further improves latency-critical decoding, delivering up to 2.5 ⁣×2.5\!\times kernel-level speedup over NVFP4 vLLM and approximately 2 ⁣×2\!\times end-to-end decoding speedup over BF16. Code is available at https://github.com/aiha-lab/ReSET.
Sihwa Lee, Janghwan Lee, Donghoon Yoo +4
Jun 3, 2026cs.AR

Characterizing the Impact of NVFP4 Quantization for Low-Power Edge AI Deployment

Energy-efficient neural-network inference at the edge requires reducing arithmetic cost, memory traffic, computation energy, and storage overhead while maintaining acceptable accuracy. This paper presents an ablation-focused study of NVFP4 quantization for edge-efficient neural networks, with emphasis on the relationship between activation precision, weight precision, block-size scaling, retraining, and model accuracy. NVFP4 activations are represented using 4-bit FP4 data, an FP8 block scale, and an FP32 tensor scale, enabling ultra-low precision inference while preserving activation dynamic range. A block-size ablation over six edge-efficient models shows that block size B = 16 provides a practical accuracy/storage trade-off, requiring only 4.5078 bits per input for N = 4096. A weight precision ablation further shows that FP8 and FP16 weights provide only modest gains over FP4 weights under the same NVFP4 activation path, suggesting that activation quantization and scaling dominate much of the accuracy behavior. To isolate the benefit of the NVFP4 data type, this work compares conventional unscaled FP4 activation inference and NVFP4 activation inference with and without retraining. The results show that conventional FP4 inference collapses accuracy for most compact models, while NVFP4 without retraining already recovers substantial accuracy by restoring activation dynamic range through FP8 block scaling and FP32 tensor scaling. When combined with retraining, NVFP4 achieves the best accuracy across the evaluated models, demonstrating the effectiveness of scaling-aware FP4 (NVFP4) inference. These findings provide general design guidance for hardware-software co-design of low power edge inference across a broad range of accelerator platforms, including GPUs, Tensor Cores, FPGAs, domain-specific AI accelerators, near-memory computing systems, and emerging edge-computing architectures.
Ovishake Sen, Venkata Nithin Kamineni, Daniel Lobo +3
Jun 2, 2026cs.AR

P-Cast Precision in FP8 Attention: Sink-Induced Collapse and the Optimality of S=2^8

FP8 (E4M3) acceleration for attention computation offers significant throughput gains, but the 3-bit mantissa introduces precision challenges when the softmax probability matrix~PP is cast to FP8 before the PVP \cdot V matrix multiplication. We analyze two implementation choices that affect output precision under the \emph{Attention Sink} phenomenon: (1)~the KV block iteration order, and (2) the static scaling factor applied to PP before casting. We show that forward KV iteration causes \emph{P-collapse} -- to leading order a fraction Φ(Δ+δk6.93lnS)Φ(Δ+ δ_k - 6.93 - \ln S) of non-sink PP values underflow to zero, where the small shift δk1δ_k \approx 1 (for ksink=4k_{\text{sink}}{=}4) is the expected within-sink-block score maximum -- and that reverse iteration removes it, with a zero-underflow guarantee when reverse is combined with S=256S{=}256. We further give a constructive characterization of S=256=28S = 256 = 2^8 as the static scale that simultaneously satisfies (i)~bit-exact IEEE 754 scaling, (ii) the lower envelope of a sawtooth function dp(S)dp(S) over the E4M3 number line (dp=24dp = 2^{-4}, the minimum worst-case quantization step), and (iii)~the maximum normal-range coverage \emph{among bit-exact (2k2^k) scales} (a non-bit-exact scale such as 448448 attains slightly higher coverage; sec.5}). Both optimizations are already deployed in FlashAttention-3/4 on engineering grounds; our contribution is a quantitative account of \emph{why} these choices are good and a closed-form threshold Δc=6.93+lnSδkΔ_c = 6.93 + \ln S - δ_k for predicting kernel-level precision loss. Kernel-faithful experiments (Q,K,VQ, K, V in FP32 to isolate the P-cast effect) show 33-10×10\times MSE improvement at moderate sink strengths, and paired tests confirm both fixes saturate to the same precision floor when combined -- which motivated updating the hpc-ops kernel from S=1S{=}1 to S=256S{=}256.
Reed Lau
May 30, 2026cs.LG

ScaleSweep: Accurate NVFP4 Post-Training Quantization of LLMs via Block Scale Initialization

NVFP4 is a recently introduced hardware-supported FP4 format that improves the fidelity of 4-bit quantization through fine-grained block scales. However, existing NVFP4 scale initialization methods still primarily rely on AbsMax initialization, which leaves a noticeable gap to the optimal solution. To address this, we propose ScaleSweep, a simple and efficient scale optimization method that sweeps over feasible block scale candidates and selects the candidate that minimizes a target objective. We further provide a theoretical analysis of NVFP4 quantization and derive both lower and upper bounds for the required sweep range under mean square error (MSE) and weighted mean square error (WMSE) between the original tensor and the quantized reconstructed tensor. The proposed bounds substantially reduce the sweep space while preserving the optimal candidate, enabling negligible overhead compared with the baseline quantization operators. Experiments on Llama and Qwen models demonstrate that ScaleSweep consistently improves quantization performance over existing initialization methods and further narrows the gap to full precision. In particular, under aggressive end-to-end quantization of weights, activations, KV cache, and query states, ScaleSweep preserves more than 93% of the full-precision performance.
Li Lin, Xiaojun Wan
May 26, 2026cs.AI

Tail-Aware HiFloat4: W4A4 Post-Training Quantization for Wan2.2

This report describes Tail-Aware HiFloat4, our submission to the low-bit text-to-video generation quantization challenge. Our method adapts the public ViDiT-Q post-training quantization pipeline to Wan2.2 under the HiFloat4 numerical format. We quantize the main linear layers in both Wan2.2 transformer modules with W4A4 HiFloat4 fake quantization, keep numerically sensitive boundary modules in high precision, and introduce an activation-tail-aware percentile calibration module for channel-mask construction. Together with compact PTQ-state restoration, this design reduces the influence of rare calibration outliers while keeping the runtime HiFloat4 arithmetic and sampling pipeline unchanged.
Zhanfeng Feng, Shuai Guo, Xin Di +3
May 18, 2026cs.CV

LongLive-2.0: An NVFP4 Parallel Infrastructure for Long Video Generation

We present LongLive-2.0, an NVFP4-based parallel infrastructure throughout the full training and inference workflow of long video generation, addressing speed and memory bottlenecks. For training, we introduce sequence-parallel autoregressive (AR) training, instantiated as Balanced SP, which co-designs the efficient teacher-forcing layout with SP execution by pairing clean-history and noisy-target temporal chunks on each rank, enabling a natural teacher-forcing mask with SP-aware chunked VAE encoding. Combined with NVFP4 precision, it reduces GPU memory cost and accelerates GEMM computation during training, the proportion of which increases as video length grows. Moreover, we show that a high-quality infrastructure and dataset enable a remarkably clean training pipeline. Unlike existing Self-Forcing series methods that rely on ODE initialization and subsequent distribution matching distillation (DMD), LongLive-2.0 directly tunes a diffusion model into a long, multi-shot, interactive auto-regressive (AR) diffusion model. It can be further converted to real-time generation (4 to 2 denoising steps) with standalone LoRA weights. For inference on Blackwell GPUs, we enable W4A4 NVFP4 inference, quantize KV cache into NVFP4 for memory savings, and boost end-to-end throughput with asynchronous streaming VAE decoding. On non-Blackwell GPU architectures, we deploy SP inference to match the speed on Blackwell GPUs, while the quantized KV cache can lower inter-GPU communication of SP. Experiments show up to 2.15x speedup in training, and 1.84x in inference. LongLive-2.0-5B achieves 45.7 FPS inference while attaining strong performance on benchmarks. To our knowledge, LongLive-2.0 is the first NVFP4 training and inference system for long video generation.
Yukang Chen, Luozhou Wang, Wei Huang +13
May 12, 2026cs.LG

Grid Games: The Power of Multiple Grids for Quantizing Large Language Models

A major recent advance in quantization is given by microscaled 4-bit formats such as NVFP4 and MXFP4, quantizing values into small groups sharing a scale, assuming a fixed floating-point grid. In this paper, we study the following natural extension: assume that, for each group of values, we are free to select the "better" among two or more 4-bit grids marked by one or more bits in the scale value. We formalize the power-of-two-grids (PO2) problem, and provide theoretical results showing that practical small-group formats such as MXFP or NVFP can benefit significantly from PO2 grids, while the advantage vanishes for very large groups. On the practical side, we instantiate several grid families, including 1) PO2(NF4), which pairs the standard NF4 normal grid with a learned grid, 2) MPO2, a grid pair that is fully learned over real weights and activations, 3) PO2(Split87), an explicit-zero asymmetric grid and 4) SFP4, a TensorCore-implementable triple which pairs NVFP4 with two shifted variants. Results for post-training quantization of standard open models and pre-training of Llama-like models show that adaptive grids consistently improve accuracy vs single-grid FP4 under both weight-only and weight+activation. Source code is available at https://github.com/IST-DASLab/GridGames.
Vage Egiazarian, Erik Schultheis, Andrei Panferov +3
May 11, 2026cs.LG

LoKA: Low-precision Kernel Applications for Recommendation Models At Scale

Recent GPU generations deliver significantly higher FLOPs using lower-precision arithmetic, such as FP8. While successfully applied to large language models (LLMs), its adoption in large recommendation models (LRMs) has been limited. This is because LRMs are numerically sensitive, dominated by small matrix multiplications (GEMMs) followed by normalization, and trained in communication-intensive environments. Applying FP8 directly to LRMs often degrades model quality and prolongs training time. These challenges are inherent to LRM workloads and cannot be resolved merely by introducing better FP8 kernels. Instead, a system-model co-design approach is needed to successfully integrate FP8. We present LoKA (Low-precision Kernel Applications), a framework that makes FP8 practical for LRMs through three principles: profile under realistic distributions to know where low precision is safe, co-design model components with hardware to expand where it is safe, and orchestrate across kernel libraries to maximize the gains. Concretely, LoKA Probe is a statistically grounded, online benchmarking method that learns activation and weight statistics, and quantifies per-layer errors. This process pinpoints safe and unsafe, fast and slow sites for FP8 adoption. LoKA Mods is a set of reusable model adaptations that improve both numerical stability and execution efficiency with FP8. LoKA Dispatch is a runtime that leverages the statistical insights from LoKA Probe to select the fastest FP8 kernel that satisfies the accuracy requirements.
Liang Luo, Yinbin Ma, Quanyu Zhu +21
May 11, 2026cs.LG

Pretraining large language models with MXFP4 on Native FP4 Hardware

Why does full-pipeline FP4 training of large language models often diverge, even when forward activations and activation gradients remain stable? We address this question through a controlled study of MXFP4 quantization in transformer training, progressively enabling FP4 across forward propagation (Fprop), activation gradients (Dgrad), and weight gradients (Wgrad) while holding all other factors fixed. In full pretraining of Llama 3.1-8B on the C4 dataset, we observe that quantizing Wgrad is the primary driver of convergence degradation, whereas FP4 in Fprop and Dgrad alone introduces only modest additional token requirements. To interpret this behavior, we evaluate both structured and stochastic interventions under a controlled experimental setting. We find that stochastic rounding and randomized Hadamard rotations fail to stabilize training once Wgrad is quantized, whereas deterministic Hadamard rotations consistently restore stable optimization. These results suggest that FP4 training instability is driven by structured micro-scaling errors along sensitive gradient paths, rather than by insufficient stochasticity. We run experiments with native MXFP4 support on AMD Instinct MI355X GPUs, enabling controlled investigation of these effects without reliance on software emulation.
Musa Cim, Poovaiah Palangappa, Miro Hodak +3
Apr 27, 2026cs.LG

Nemotron 3 Nano Omni: Efficient and Open Multimodal Intelligence

We introduce Nemotron 3 Nano Omni, the latest model in the Nemotron multimodal series and the first to natively support audio inputs alongside text, images, and video. Nemotron 3 Nano Omni delivers consistent accuracy improvements over its predecessor, Nemotron Nano V2 VL, across all modalities, enabled by advances in architecture, training data and recipes. In particular, Nemotron 3 delivers leading results in real-world document understanding, long audio-video comprehension, and agentic computer use. Built on the highly efficient Nemotron 3 Nano 30B-A3B backbone, Nemotron 3 Nano Omni further incorporates innovative multimodal token-reduction techniques to deliver substantially lower inference latency and higher throughput than other models of similar size. We are releasing model checkpoints in BF16, FP8, and FP4 formats, along with portions of the training data and codebase to facilitate further research and development.
NVIDIA, :, Amala Sanjay Deshmukh +216
Date pendingcs.MS

FP8 is All You Need (Part 2): Full-FP64 3-D FFT on FP8-Generation Tensor CoresThe Integer-Epilogue Wall and the Minimal Hardware That Would Remove It

The NVIDIA Blackwell Ultra (B300) GPU cuts FP64 vector throughput 30×\sim 30\times while multiplying FP8 tensor throughput. After the recovery of FP64 GEMM via Ozaki Scheme II on FP8 tensor cores and the Tensor-Memory Equilibrium model of the companions ("FP8 is All You Need, Part 1" and "Ozaki 2.5") we ask whether the fifth canonical HPC primitive, the full-FP64 102431024^3 3-D FFT, can be carried by the same substrate, and answer with a design and its limit. It is a Bailey six-step transform with no FP64 arithmetic: FP8-tensor DFT GEMMs with fused twiddles, residue-domain Karatsuba combines and exact CRT reconstruction whose bulk is a small GEMM on the FP16 tensor path and whose remainder is a Kulisch fixed-point accumulation with a two-sided modulo-MM lift, so the only rounding is the final conversion; constants are machine-generated and verified bit-exactly. The central finding: the binding resource is not floating point but a per-output integer epilogue with floor (cepi/8),Bmem(c_{\rm epi}/8),B_{\rm mem}, cepi203c_{\rm epi} \approx 203-281281 instructions per output: on B300 it holds the transform at 63-87 ms against a 12.9 ms roof (4.94.9-6.7×6.7\times short); at most 1.31.3-1.9×1.9\times faster than the collapsed native path, possibly no faster at realised issue rates; no software route reaches the roof; on the NVIDIA Rubin GPU emulation loses 88-11×11\times. An FP32 variant meets the same wall: the cause is per-scalar reconstruction, not FP64. Each floor term names its remedy: the NVIDIA B200 GPU's INT8 tensor core restored with a position-weighted cross-column accumulation primitive, a load-path deconstruction datapath shared with the companions, two ISA idioms and modular reduction at the MMA output give 16.0-23.5 ms with minor hardware and 12.9-15.0 ms with one moderate ask. All figures are projected floors, not measurements, with sensitivities and the FP8 layout condition given.
Satoshi Matsuoka
Date pendingcs.AR

FP8 is All You Need (Part 1): Debunking Hardware FP64 as the HPC Holy Grail (Sep 3rd version)

We argue that on AI-optimised GPUs of the NVIDIA B300 generation and beyond, the FP8 tensor-core matrix operation, composed through CRT-based Ozaki Scheme II, can serve as the dominant matrix-work substrate for the surveyed matrix-dominated FP64 kernel classes at FP64-grade accuracy, with native FP64 recast from a hardware requirement into a derived accuracy guarantee. The claim is conditional: the FP8 op is the candidate dominant multiplication substrate, with a bounded auxiliary set of integer deconstruction/reconstruction work, FP32/Kulisch reductions, data movement and a native-FP64 fallback, organised as a hierarchy from the FP8 op through Ozaki II and the Berkeley dwarfs to applications. The instrument is the Tensor-Memory Equilibrium (TME) model, a Roofline extension with four parameters (compute multiplier α=3r+1\alpha=3r+1, bandwidth multiplier β\beta, reconstruction cost γ\gamma, and the per-input deconstruction cost cqc_q identified in an NVIDIA review) under which, at its upper bound, the reduction to FP8 costs no performance against an ideal native-FP64 machine of equal bandwidth. On-chip tile fusion drives β1\beta \to 1; the deconstruction term sets a threshold intensity below which emulation is conversion-bound. At the fused, engineered-cqc_q bound every surveyed class reaches the memory roof, with two priced exceptions: large dense-square DGEMM sits at a deconstruction floor near 0.50 of the FP8 arithmetic roof (about 235 of 473 TFLOPS on the NVIDIA Rubin GPU), a liftable co-design coordinate, and the 3-D FFT is walled by a per-output integer epilogue at 4.94.9-6.7×6.7\times its roof in software, recoverable with minor hardware and one moderate ask. Ozaki II lifts the emulated FP64 ceiling from 1.3\approx 1.3 to 135\approx 135 TFLOPS on B300 and 473\approx 473 on Rubin; three deconstruction-path hardware options are given; constants are engine-checked.
Satoshi Matsuoka